Christian Journal | – Once Saved Is Not Always Saved
One of the most dangerous doctrines that have been perpetrated upon the church is the doctrine of “Unconditional Eternal Security”. Many of the main-line, denominational churches and a good percentage of the fringe denominations of the church world have accepted this doctrine and perverted the real meaning of the scriptures to make them say what they would want to be true. However, believing something is truth, and teaching it as truth, and interpreting scripture to make it sound like truth, does not make false doctrine really true after all.
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Child abuse……poor kid
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So this verses are all lies? OSAS verses
John 10:29 (KJV) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Hebrews 10:14 (KJV) For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Romans 8:30 (KJV) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 4:30 (KJV) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Romans 8:38-39 (KJV) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 4:22-25 (KJV) And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Question: I’ve heard that the Holy Spirit, being our Paraclete, can never leave us. Can you explain what happens when we sin or backslide?
Answer: Thank you for this question. It is well taken. We earth-bound Christians, although holy as a matter of position, are sinners as a matter of practice, and we will continue to sin until we die or until Christ returns. Does this put God in a bind? I ask because, on one hand, God desires fellowship with children, but on the other hand God cannot be in the presence of sin. Yet, the Holy Spirit who indwells us is God himself! So, where does he go and what does he do when we sin? As in all things, we should look to Jesus for the answer.
Just as Jesus bore our sins on the cross, and did so completelyby not fleeing sin, so the Holy Spirit bears with us continually — even while we sin. This means that he too does not flee. The cross was painful for Jesus, who was no less a holy God than is the Father. In like manner, every believer’s ongoing sin is also painful. But just as Jesus stuck with us on the cross, so the Holy Spirit sticks with us while we sin, and all of these actions are necessary because of where we are on the redemptive timeline. It is true that Jesus’ blood conquered sin, that the atonement is complete, and that we Christians are rightly called the Redeemed… but redemption continues.
The creation itself is still being redeemed, and this must continue until Christ returns (Romans 8:22). It is an occupational hazard of being a clean people who live in a foul world that we will be soiled. We look to a future where our garments will be spotless (Revelation 7:9). In the meantime, Jesus intercedes for us with the Father. God loves us, dirt and all, and he causes the Spirit to bear with us. Let us look at the church in Corinth for a biblical example.
The Bible tells us that the early church in Corinth was immature and that its members were prone to overt sins. That is why the apostle Paul wrote a troubleshooting letter. He needed to admonish and correct them. As he considered one of their primary sins, that there were divisions among them, Paul reminded them (to their shame rather than to their encouragement) that the Holy Spirit dwelt within them. He was not cautioning them that the Holy Spirit would leave if they didn’t straighten out. He was admonishing them that they should behave better knowing that God was in their house — and if the Corinthian believers could not evict the Holy Spirit by their sins, I am sure that the rest of us are similarly secure.
“Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?” (1 Corinthians 3:16, ESV)
At this point, I have not precisely answered your question “what happens,” but have answered the question “what does nothappen.” The Holy Spirit does not leave. So, what does he dowhen we sin? He grieves…not leaves.
“And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”
(Ephesians 4:30, ESV)
In the original Greek, this usage of the word grief indicates that the Holy Spirit is not so much sad as he is offended. In this, we can see where God maintains his holiness. God is always offended by sin, but in both the persons of Jesus Christ and in the Holy Spirit, sin, for our sake, is first borne… and then borne with. Neither flees his responsibility to either the sin or the sinner. This is how the Father maintains his separation from sin without leaving humans in the lurch, and both the saved and the unsaved benefit from this holy strategy.
Note also in Ephesians 4:30 the sealing action of the Holy Spirit. This in itself tells us that the Holy Spirit is a permanent resident within us until Jesus comes again. We are sealed as if inserted into a Holy-Spirit-envelope that is addressed to Jesus. When he comes again to finish the work of redemption, we will no longer need this sealing. Why not? Because we will have Jesus himself…again. Remember what Jesus said in the gospel of John concerning the Holy Spirit whom here he called the Helper? (The Helper is also translated as Advocate or Paracleteas per your question.)
“Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.” (John 16:7, ESV)
God would never leave us without a helper or an advocate. While Jesus was here, he fulfilled those roles. But when he ascended to the Father, the Holy Spirit picked up that work. We also know from Scripture that Jesus is currently sitting with the Father and making intercession for us (Romans 8:34), and in this, he remains vitally connected to us through the Spirit. But when he returns, we will need neither intercessor nor advocate. Why not? Because sin will no longer merely be covered. It will be removed totally from our presence. Thereafter we will live with Christ as it was purposed for us in the beginning — well before humanity fell into sin. As you can see, God’s design is for a Christian always to have a divine presence. It is either Jesus or it is the Holy Spirit. But it is never neither.
As good as it is to have all our theology in place, when it comes to sin, we cannot dismiss our emotions altogether. Every Christian has the occasional moment where he asks, “Is the Holy Spirit really dwelling within me? Because it sure does not feel that way right now!” That is one of the problems of sin. It makes us feel alienated from God — and we often are in terms of fellowship. But we never are in terms of familial relationship. We cannot sin without stepping away from God emotionally and spiritually, but we can never step away from our essential relationship. We are God’s children. Always and forever.
“For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”” (Romans 8:15, ESV)
Sinning — and even in-your-face backsliding — is a condition we should never take lightly. But since this offense results in the displeasure of a father towards a son, and in no way supports anti-scriptural notions like a child being unborn or dis-adopted, the Holy Spirit has no grounds for departure. As in earthly families, God’s familial relationship remains even under the estrangement of its members. For instance, a son who has walked away from his family has never — not even for one second — ceased being his father’s son (Luke 15:11-32). This son will have lost his family’s intimacy and will have certainly offended his father, but it is a familial offense, answerable under familial jurisprudence, and not under the judgment of the wicked. As such, the son’s name will always be recorded in the annals of his family. Interestingly, God too has such books. One is called the Lamb’s Book of Life (Revelation 21:27)… which I’m sure would make surprising reading if we were to read it today.
One issue remains. Is a person who walks away from God really saved? Because if that were true, then the Holy Spirit was never within him to leave. Truth be told, we cannot really tell who is saved and who is not — not in absolute terms. We are not God, and we do not know the heart of another person truly. All we can do is look at the indicators. The problem is that these will yield false positives as well as false negatives. This is why all judgment is given to Jesus (John 5:22). He cannot be fooled! Nor can he be dissuaded to send the Spirit.
What can we Christians do to help those who seem to walk in and out of holiness? Stay the course. People who oscillate emotionally and spiritually need a steady reference — and that’s us! Therefore, we should continue with our ministries and perform the Great Commission. If we pray, study, keep a good testimony, make disciples, preach, teach and baptize, then we will have done our job for Christ and for the world, no matter what the condition of our fellows.
A lot of OSAS people don't say "never saved in the first place". A lot of them now say that people are still saved even if they begin to sacrifice their children to Satan as long as they believed once. OSAS will always ultimately lead to a "do what thou wilt" Christianity belief because "never saved in the first place" doctrine is too contradictory if questioned too heavily.
Being repentant of your sins is not works, we are required to repent of our sins once we are saved.
Repentance is having a change of mind on your sin not just saying your sorry. You cannot continue to be saved living in willingful unrepentant sin.
I completely agree that the OSAS WITHOUT REPENTANCE is a false doctrine, as I myself was a backslider for 11 years, and I once believed in that false doctrine. I do have something else to say, and it has to do with "what" Word we read. Here is what the Word says, KJV
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
– it says "sealed unto the day"
Brother, politely I say, this is why we should ALL be encouraged to read the KJV bible, because then we are all speaking the SAME language. Satan created all these other English translations to "confuse" the believer. So when we "hear" the words being preached, and they are different, we will know that we have to be on our guard with that preacher. It is satan's way of getting back at God when God scattered the people at the tower of babel. I mean, what next, the Miley Cyrus circus bible?? Here is what the Lord Jesus showed me, satan has created in effect a new tower of babble… with all the people "babbling" the different words and phrases. Do you see that? Do we have a conclusive Word of God, equal to NO OTHER, in the KJV? Was God involved in that, keeping it EXACTLY the same since 1769, without copyright? Copyright meaning not for ANY profit, as ANYONE can copy the pages without any penalty.
Secondly, I read the NIV for 3 years, and then the Lord Jesus Christ told me to put all the other translations away and read only the KJV, and with this, (way) I would be on the same page with all of my other brothers and sisters. I'm not condemning you or anyone, I'm just telling you the truth. The NIV is wicked in how many times it changed the Word, and specifically what the NIV changed… removing the word "Lord" something like 70 times? Removing entire verses, etc… look it up, KJV verses the NIV. Do you want to be reading ANY version of the bible that removes the "Lord" title from God's Word??
IF you want the truth and want to follow the Truth. Look at verse 30 again, brother, and ask yourself, did the 55 translators (for 7 years writing the KJV) get that wrong, and who do you want to be following? Do we know exactly "who" changed the KJV into these other translations?? I don't know what translation you are reading from (as I stopped the video at 12:37 when I heard you speak something OTHER than the Word of God), but do you see how
– sealed UNTO the day, verses
– sealed FOR the day… IS different?
I know at that day I will be translated up to Jesus, changed into an eternal being, and no longer needing the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
And this is just one verse. Study the differences found in Rev5, KJV vs NIV, specifically 1 thru 11. Why did the translators call it a "book" in verse 1, instead of "scroll", and they knew the difference between those two words when they determined to used "book" in the KJV. I personally am thankful to God, Jesus, for putting me into the same language with all my brothers and sisters, and that I trust the Holy Spirit to give me understanding in His Word, the KJV. You can read whatever translation, but I HIGHLY suggest that you pick up the KJV and LEARN it, just like we learned the English language as little children. Who is our Teacher, and will you trust in Him?
Eph4 cont…
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
I share this in lovingkindness.
A brother in our Lord and Saviour God Jesus,
David
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GOOD VIDEO!!!!!
Once saved is always saved….if a person was really saved why would they think they needed to be saved again? Sure we sin but being saved allows us to be forgiven if we ask God. God didn’t say you must be saved multiple times…He says to believe in his Son, Jesus to have eternal life. And Jesus says the only way to the Father is thru Him. Jesus died on the cross once…not multiple times. We are sVed by the grace of God once we accept and surly goodness and mercy will follow me to the end of my earthly life bc I have been saved…..once!
There is such peace, security and rest in Father Yah's eternal salvation. He never leaves nor forsakes His own.
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This is a doctrine of demons and easy to debunk. We're not born again until the harpazo. That's when those alive and the dead get new spiritual bodies, reborn into the spirit (Holy). At that time it is impossible for us to sin. Those who are saved are saved, past tense, meaning it is done because it is finsihed, thank you Jesus.
This is from the pits of hell. Who can make God a liar. Actually, the bible says let every MAN be a liar, and God be the truth. If Jesus tells me, "You're saved, I'm keeping you, you're coming to heaven." And demons tell me, "You're not going to heaven." Where do you suppose I'm going to spend my eternity? How close are you to Jesus? If Jesus Christ of Nazareth has never spoken your salvation personally and assured you, how do you know you're saved?
I’m listening again to this vid; I’m 59 yrs.
I accepted Christ into my life at about 17 in college. Partly because I wanted a nice new shiner Bible. Over the years kept going back and forth. Finally I was let back to Jesus about 2 yrs ago after being deep into the New age movement . If I would have died while I was running amuck I would have gone straight to hell. Why was I spare from certain eternal damnation. Don’t know but I am great full. Maybe once saved always saved may come from God’s infinite Mercy. However I wouldn’t recommend walking away from God. I am blessed to have another opportunity.
Hebrews chapter 10, vs. 26-31 is completely contradictory to "one saved, always saved" nonsense. Let God be true, and every man a liar!