Ernie Lassman | – Should we make the sign of the cross?

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  1. Thanks for the explanation, that helps clear up the symbolism and history. However, I'm still a little confused as to the usage of it during services. I've been to a Greek Orthodox church a couple of times, and it seems like every 2 minutes everyone in the congregation is making the sign in sync, but how do they know when to do it and when not to?

  2. I have an open question for anyone (who is genuine) to answer…  I am a latter-day saint (also known as Mormon) and we are not taught to make the sign of the cross, however I have felt myself pulled to start doing it.  I LOVE prayer, and one of the things that I do is I always pray whenever I hear a siren.  I always say "Heavenly Father please bless them, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen." Them means a whole list of people, and I know that Heavenly Father knows what I mean…  =)  But several months ago, I started making the sign of the cross and added "in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti" to the end of that prayer.  I also make the sign at other times when I feel pulled to, or when it just feels "appropriate", like say if a funeral procession were to pass or something like that.  I wonder if it is "okay" for me to do this.  I haven't talked to my Bishop about it, which I probably should, but I wonder what people of faiths who "can officially" do it would feel about me doing it.  Is it okay?

  3. the Sign of the Cross is a Christian gesture acknowledging the Love of Jesus who died on the Cross and to love God with all our mind (forehead), with all our heart (chest), and with all our might (shoulder).  when we make the Sign of the Cross in front of a Catholic Church, it is like our salute to the King of Kings who is inside that Church in the Blessed Sacrament.  The Cross was never the mark of the beast contrary to what most protestants wrongly say. but the Cross is the mark of God on those who are saved by the Cross of Christ. 1 Cor 1:18 " For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God"

    Rev 14:1 "Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads" (emphasizing the "name" of the Father and the Lamb).

    Eph 1:13-14 "And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession"
    Eph 4:30 "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption"

    Rev 9:4 "They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads." – which can be referenced from Ez 9:4-6 "and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”
    5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark" 

    in Ez 9:4-6. the mark is literally the Hebrew Tau which looks like a cross.

    Gal 6:17 "From now on, let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus"
    Ph 3:18 For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ

    Mt 28:19, Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit

    i hope these verses help.  God bless..

  4. HOW is making the Sign of the cross abuse of the practice if you do it in front of a Church??????? I do this because I LOVE MY GOD and my Church! and how is it any less superstitious doing it when you wake and go to bed then doing it when you pass Gods House? and isn't belief a superstition anyway?? we believe because we are all superstitious and I like to believe because we know there is more out there then what we see with our mortal eyes.. The Definition of superstition is as follows "a widely held but unjustified belief in supernatural causation leading to certain consequences of an action or event, or a practice based on such a belief." and its synonyms are "synonyms: myth, belief, old wives' tale" note its a belief which is what Lutheranism is its a belief system in a supernatural force

  5. You notice that he is crossing himself with an upside down cross?  This is a sign of the birth of the immortal child, according to the rights of the Kan-li, a Daoist heralding of the Antichrist.  Look it up and avoid this, please.  Spread the word.  It is wrong.

  6. All graven images are an abomination including this hideous death post . If Christ had been hanged would you have that on display, churches are cults , religions and there man made pagan silly rituals that send people down the wrong road to salvation are all abominable to my Lord. You all follow blind leaders who are blind themselves.

  7. The same illogical argument as always: "if it is not in the bible then you don't have to do it". AND WHERE IN THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO DO WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE? Completely self refuting himself from start. If you already read the bible from beginning to end you know the answer: NOWHERE. Saint Paul, on the contrary, clearly tells christians to CONSERVE THE TRADITIONS THAT HE HAD TAUGHT THEM (Cor 11:2 ) but guess what — protestants have NO IDEA which traditions he is talking about for the simple fact that they are OUTSIDE of the one, true, church.

  8. hey brother lassman I'm very interested in the Lutheran church WELS to be specific but one of the main things that bothers me is that Lutheran churches have images and statues just like how the Catholic church does which contradicts scripture .

  9. The only reason why Luther's rebellion succeeded is because he told the princes (who had complete control of their principalities, while giving nominal allegiance to the Holy Roman Emperor of the German Nation [The First Reich]) that they could seize the property of the Roman Catholic Church in their regions of authority IF they converted to Lutheranism, and seize they did. Ka-ching!

  10. One thing to consider for those of you that slam Luther. Put yourself back into the 1400-1500s. The RCC was corrupt and oppressive to the common people treating them like low life's so if I were living in that time I would have supported Luther and his statements of abuse that the Catholic Church had. Then to he was NOT wanting to start another church but to simply correct the church. But as time went in he was excommunicated. History really does teach us something if we study it and try to put ourselves into that time period.

  11. I’m always very careful when it comes to peoples beliefs(wether Catholic or Protestant) and won’t verify their claims unless found first in historical documents, this is the beauty of humanism.

    You claim the sign of the cross supposedly dates back to 180AD or 4th century, but you can’t even back it up with historical documentation like the church fathers(I call that lousy apologetics). I could get away with the same claims saying Sola Fide goes back to 70AD when the 2nd Temple was destroyed, but that wouldn’t make it true since Papias, Taitian, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Irenaeus never once said faith alone as it’s a historical fact Sola Fide is a Protestant invention. Therefore your claims are no more as valid as saying Luke the apostle first made icons which is absurd since he was a Jew and early christian archeology proves Christians banned all forms of religious art until the 4th century since they came out of Judaism after all, a historical fact.

    We know through historical criticism from reading scripture and patristics under textual criticism that their was no mary veneration, prayers to dead, icon/statue worship etc. in the primitive church. Real historical books tells us what the primitive church really believed and are more open-minded since many protestants and Catholics are equally afraid and can’t take historical criticism so they never delve into studying the primitive church.

    We can verify original tradition of the apostles through reading early patristics as it’s absurd to blindly believe every tradition of a church just because it’s labeled apostolic, if we can’t find it in sacred historical apostolic tradition(patristics) then we can’t verify it. So it‘s very unlogical to justify all apostolic tradition unless you first can prove it‘s historical accuracy from patristic who by the way had close ties with the apostles unlike Constantine.

  12. 4:04 Making the sign of the cross while passing a Catholic Church is not superstitious. It is showing reverence and/or respect to the church of God. It is the same as remembering your baptism. It have become a habit or ritual to many. But it is not just for the Catholic Church but any church of God. I grew up Catholic but no longer follow the Catholic religion. But I'm also not affiliated with any church.

  13. The cross was intended ONLY for Jesus to be crucified on it to death. And no else was nailed and died brutally on that cross except him alone.The Almighty Father and the Holy Spirit were neither had anything to do in making the cross nor got nailed on the same cross together with Christ. So, what is the relevance of including the Almighty Father and the Holy Spirit in making the sign of cross?

  14. and REVERENCE as well , and the Holy Trinity ,
    silly example, giving HIGH salute to a general, BUT in this case its HOLY in nature to God because of his holy sacrifice to the cross for our salvation, hents , HOLY CROSS, it is all incorporated INTO the cross , and yes Catholics are the ones responsible for genuflecting and also at gods last supper

  15. God bless you Lutherans. As someone that grew up in Catholic School with nonpracticing parents, I’m so blessed to have discovered Lutheranism because Lutheranism is basically the system of belief I used while in Catholic school, without even realizing it. I was very firm about there only being one God. And ONLY praying to that one God, not venerating saints or undergoing detailed rituals. I really feel God’s presence in the Eucharist though, but this isn’t necessarily alien to Lutherans, I have heard. Luther himself felt the same presence, but also commented that he felt God’s presence in nature, everywhere, and even in his soup!

    The sort of openness that Luther opened Christianity’s eyes to is exactly what I believe in, or believED in… I’m in a dark place now where I feel I’ve denied God’s ultimate call for me to become Lutheran too many times, and now God has abandoned me. I chose the “easy” route of the evangelicals and non-denominational branches because I had a friend that attended this sort of church where so many young people like me were, while I did not have any Lutheran friends or family members nearby to go to church with.
    I really hope God gives me another chance, there was actually a point where I was dead-on convinced that God was calling me to become a Lutheran pastor! I took myself away from Catholicism for a while because I was horrified God was calling me to be a priest and thus to never have sex and to preach things I didn’t believe in. I’m still really scared that he wants me to be a priest, but the call to be a Lutheran pastor was so much more enlightened, welcoming, and beneficial. I want to try to go back to Lutheran services. I want to see if God will give me another chance. Lutheranism is purified Catholicism and that’s very appealing. It takes the politics and ethnocentrism of Catholicism and Orthodox churches while maintaining the old rituals but making sure to worship GOD, not the rituals themselves.

  16. you shouldn't say good luck or luck. you are saying good lucifer and lucifer. a Trick by the evil one, lucifer, satan, the devil. in heaven lucifer was an arc angel who Wanted to be like God. Greed, Pride. lucifer

    was thrown out of heaven after being beaten by Saint Micheal The Highest Arc Angel. lucifer convinced ( took with him to earth ) 33% ( one third ( 1/3 ) of angels. Who fell to Earth as fallen angels / demons.

    they fell as quick as Lightening. mated with human women that They picked ( choose ).

    Say Good Fortune to you or God Be With You. Do Noy say: good luck or be lucky. you are saying lucifer. good lucifer. be lucifer. not many know this. it is not taught widely.

    Do Not call your Children " kids " or your Child a kid.
    Do you know where that word kid for Child comes from? the goat of mendes, " bapholmet ".
    the figure that free masons ( masonic order ) use in their lodges and the illuminati use. a male goat with Horns sitting on a throne with female breasts. search for bapolamet in a search engines Image section.

    using the words kid or kids is very unLoving / unCaring / unKind, words for your Children.