Ernie Lassman | – What do we physically receive in the Lord's Supper?

Pastor Lassman’s Lesson 11 – The Lord’s Supper
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  1. They don't understand the "Real Presence",that there is a "mystery"- a "Presence" that is "Real" and received with the mouth with the bread and wine. Such "mysteries" separate out those who say they believe what the bible says from those who actually do. All we can do is consitently and lovingly point out what the bible actually says. At that point our responsibility ends. Thank you for your comment and I wish you God's blessings in your baptismal walk and witness. Pastor Lassman

  2. Hi…you can inquire about an Adult Information Class and becoming Luthran at Saint Andrew Lutheran Church
    4910 Claremont Ave Stockton, CA 95207-5708.Phone: (209)957-8750. Let me know how it goes! Pastor Lassman

  3. Please explain why it was that the Lutheran view of the real presence, the sacramental union, did not come about until the Reformation. You may not attempt to explain the mystery of the real presence, but you should explain that it is a realatively new concept when compared to the Catholic view of transubstantiation.

  4. "Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved." Vatican Council 2, Lumen Gentium, paragraph 14.

  5. Did you listen to the video? Both Lutherans and Roman Catholics believe in the real presence. Transubstantian is an attempt to explain the unexlainable with the philosophy of Aristotle. Pastor Lassman

  6. Yes, I did watch the video, and you explain the difference between the views of Lutherans and Catholics (although you didn't mention that Catholics believe the bread and wine become the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ). What I am asking is that you explain how the Lutheran view, being different from the Catholic, came into existence with the reformation.

  7. The real presence has always been taught in the church until the 16 cent when the radical reformers made it a symbol (that's the Lutheran position). Transubstantiation,an EXPLANTION of the real presence, has NOT always been taught in the history of the church. The word TRANSUBSTANTION came in the early middle ages and was solidified by Thomas Aquinas.

  8. bigAl

    Have converted to the Lutheran church?

    I'm a cradle Catholic who converted to the LCMS prior to marriage to my cradle
    L husband

    I believe that the LCMS is correct in it's doctrine teaching & worship of our triune God.
    And keeps the proper perspective/respect
    for the virgin Mary.

    I respect/love Catholics.

    Peace be with you

  9. Al

    Having been a RC & now Lutheran [I've also been to nondenominational churches]
    I have never heard a pastor preach "that we are to follow Paul"

    I disagree with that website

    Romans 10:11-13

    As the Scripture says "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame".

    For there is no difference between Jew & Gentile the same Lord is Lord of all & richly blesses all who call on him for Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

  10. Romans 11:1-3

    I ask then Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself a descendant of Abraham from the tribe of Benjamin

    God did not reject his people whom he foreknew.

    Don't you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah how he appealed to God against Israel

    "Lord, they have killed your prophets & torn down your altars I am the only one left & they are trying to kill me"?

  11. cont

    And what was God's answer to him?
    "I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal."

    So too at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace & if by grace then it is no longer by works if it were grace would no longer be grace.

    Paul's commision was to preach the gospel to all the world. Paul was faithful to Jesus and all His commands.

  12. 1 Thes 5:19-24
    Do not put out the Spirit's fire do not treat prophecies with contempt.

    Test everything.

    Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.

    May God himself the God of peace sanctify you through & through. May your whole spirit soul & body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful & he will do it.

    Al, I pray that you keep searching for the truth & may God bless you always.

  13. Hi..thanks for your question. Roman Catholics would no doubt consider Lutherans as Protestants. But Lutherans have many differences with "other" Protestants..and this is often not understood. Lutherans object to being "lumped in" with "other Protestants"..and Lutherans don't teach "consubstantiation" that term was put on us by those "other Protestants" who don't believe in the Real Presence…thanks again..Pastor Lassman

  14. I dont understand the difference with our beliefs? You believe you "some how" recieve the body and blood, but also the bread and wine? Do you really see a big difference? Jesus said this is my body. We dont try and explain it. We just believe that "some how" through GODS power, not the priests, that it turns into the body.

    I have been to a Lutheran mass at a wedding, and all the lutherans looked at us catholics like we were crazy kneeling and praying before and after communion.

  15.'s the difference: what do we recieve with our mouth? Only the Body and Blood of Jesus? Or the Body with the bread and the Blood with the wine? Yes, there is a difference because Jesus and Paul say the bread is with the Body and Blood..Rome doesn't. Christ makes his Body and Blood present..not the priest. I can't comment on your observation of those Lutherans..I was not there. ..Pastor Lassman

  16. Jesus said, "This is my body, given up for you" not,

    "My body is with this bread, given up for you"

    Im not trying to say you're wrong, I just think this is a poor atempt to establish a significant differece, for the soul reason of disagreeing. The catholic belief is closer to christs original words than your own.

  17. The priest makes it present? You know we dont believe that. At least I hope you dont, your a theologian. You write these false statments, and you teach them in your classes. Dont you see how unfair it is to mislead people into believing things about catholics that are not true. You are just adding to the mountain of misconceptions and hatred that people have for the catholic church. God has kept us more unified than anyother faith in the world. Why do you create division?

  18. A few points I'll add from St. Thomas Aquinas as to why God established this fact:
    It is'nt customary but horrible for men to eat human flesh & drink human blood, so Christs flesh & blood are given to us under the species of those things more commonly consumed by men.
    Lest this sacrament might be derided by unbelievers, were we to eat the flesh & blood of Jesus under his own proper species.
    While we receive Our Lords Body & Blood invisibly, this may redound to the merit of faith.

  19. God is using the priest (which should have received the holy orders in apostolic succession with S:t Peter and Paul) as an instrument when he is reading the words and the wine and bread are transformed into the blood and body of Jesus Christ, or that Jesus Christ will become present in the wine and bread. Two different ways to explain the real presence, and both are correct enough, they are not church dividing.

  20. Hello, I noticed some of your videos and was wondering what exactly the rite is. Is this something in union with the pope? Also, your explaination of Christ will become present in the bread and wine does have a difference from transformed as Jesus did not say that "this is my body and bread" nor did he say "this is my blood and wine", so there is a dividing difference in that aspect.

  21. The official teachings of the Church of Sweden is the consubstantiation is the explanation of the real presence. According to catholic belief, the Lutheran explanation is not theirs but they do not argue that it is church dividing; there is another reasons why when I go to a catholic mass I am not allowed to recieve the communion.

  22. Hey jdnw66 check your catholic encyclopedias, Christ did not start cath church, Constatine did, He also changed Sabbath, substituted Ishstar ( pagan )and made it easter, an abom7nation, Cath.Church is harlot in Revelation. Check it out Jesus also had brothers an sisters by mary and joseph. She was a virgin till Jesus was born!!!!!!!!!!!

  23. What would be the worth of receiving the Lord's Supper as a Catholic if you are not even repentant.  You can take in the Lord's Supper a million times believing it is the actual Christ body and blood but if it doesn't do anything to change you and you're not repentant than it is rather worthless and meaningless.  Catholic should spend more time figuring out how to get people SAVED and avoiding God's wrath because we are sinners, than all this ritual traditions.  God wants a relationship NOT religion to dictate our Salvation.  God isn't interested in who man have appointed to what position but more interested in our heart. Giving our heart to God should be #1.  

  24. so would Lutherans believe that a Baptist communion would contain the real presence even though Baptists don't believe it? if not, why not? after all, Lutherans reject the Catholic concept of the priesthood so you wouldn't technically need Apostolic Succession to do it

  25. Heresy. It continues to baffle me how ANYONE can accept this, from…

    A A logical standpoint, and
    B From a biblical standpoint.

    1 Jesus alone is to be worshipped, not bread/wine. And so, if the bread/wine actually become His flesh/blood, why don't you find bread/wine being worhsipped @ a/time by the disciples? The answer is because it is NOT His actual flesh/blood.
    2 Do you realize if the bread/wine became actual flesh/blood, that you declare y/selves to bemm CANNIBALS ? Be reminded, that the law found in Leviticus 17:14 applies too.
    3 In saying the elements become actual flesh/blood, you RECRUCIFY Christ who ONCE suffered for sin; Heb 9:26 "…but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself and again in I Pet 3:18 where it says that Christ hath "ONCE" suffered for sins