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Robert Barron | – Should Bishops Allow Priests to Offer Mass in Latin? — Bishop Barron on Vatican II

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Friends, when I was rector at Mundelein Seminary in Chicago, we were very supportive of those who wanted to learn the Tridentine Latin Mass. But during training, we emphasized that the goal of the Extraordinary Form is not performance art, but rather a deep and expressive entering into the mystery of Christ’s supreme sacrifice.

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  2. I agree that the "theatrics of the TLM" is NOT what we as Catholics need to receive the body and blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Eucharist! Our Lady spoke with Ida Peerdeman in Amsterdam in the 1940/50's about making this easier (my words) but not changing the theology! The relationship between Jesus and Eucharistic receivers is a personal one, the Priest is the mediator. Jesus IS truly present in the Eucharist, NO or TLM.

  4. On a sidenote, I also think the Novus Ordo should be reformed again with new guidelines, incorporating more from Anglican Use, the Byzantine rite, and TLM. I think it would do a better job of revitalizing the faithful that bringing back TLM honestly. Less division that way too.

    That sort of "new Novus Ordo" could be a more universal liturgy, with the option of being celebrated in Latin or whatever vernacular! Plus more up to date and well-rounded theology!!

  7. Sometimes people forget the fact that most priests have a minimal understanding of Latin, as their piety and ability to communicate come first in education. It's not a bad thing that the Latin Mass isn't practiced; the language of the Mass does not matter, but it's substance does. It would be nice to have as an option though.

    Another thought to add: why standardize the Latin mass when most Laity don't know Latin, much less new converts?

  9. It’s sad that most Catholics do not know Latin. When my sons attended public high school, they took Latin for 4 years. It benefited them in Math, Science and their pursuit of other foreign languages in college. My eldest attends Latin mass weekly. I asked a Monsignor why the Catholic schools stopped teaching Latin. Essentially, he said the Catholic schools were dumbing down the education to appeal to the masses. What a shame. When I went to Catholic school; it meant employers were getting well educated workers who knew how to write.

  10. the Traditional Latin Mass is more than just the Latin language. it is the reverence expressed in the liturgy, the chants, the ad orientem posture that directs the attention to God instead of versus populum that makes the priest the center of attention, the silence that allows for reflection and mental prayer and the emphasis on the Holy Eucharist as the Holy Sacrifice on the Cross instead of just a meal for the community.

  17. Would Bishop Barron care to comment on priests celebrating Mass in a language that they barely understand (other than Latin)?If every Mass was in Latin, bingo! Problem solved! Then maybe we could go back to when every Catholic understood the real presence in the Eucharist even if they didn’t understand every word.

  19. I belonged to a parish that said mass in both English and Spanish (the first reading was said in English and the second in Spanish) the music was handled in the same way. I didn’t understand the Spanish reading nor the songs. However, it did not prevent me from following along in the missal or even singing. The same goes for Christmas mass when we sing Adeste Fidelis “Come O Ye Faithful”. Don’t understand what the big deal is about enjoying the Latin mass. Had the Latin mass remained today, at least if a Catholic traveled around the world; they would understand, feel more comfortable and welcome. Isn’t that the whole reason why mass in my former church was bilingual? Isn’t that why many of the churches built in the late 1800s and early 1900s were built by immigrants to accommodate their needs?

  22. I was brought up as a catholic when masses were in latin. Nobody had a clue what was going on but that was ok as in my view nobody attended mass to glorify God but to tick the attendance box. We were told that if you didnt attend mass then you would go to hell. Knowledge of the bible was never encouraged (and i was taught by Irish Christian Brothers) as being a catholic in those days was a case of doing what you were told by the priesthood and believe what they say. Thankfully I found Jesus after leaving Catholicism, becoming an atheist and 33 years ago finding God and gaining a personal relationship with Jesus

  23. The Priest makes a promise of obedience to his Bishop at his ordination. This "promise of obedience" effectively supersedes any 2007 allowances (Summorum Pontificum).

    If the Bishop says, "No Latin Mass (for a myriad of possible reasons)"– it's no Latin Mass.

    A good holy (and obedient) priest will not disobey his Bishop.

    Peace.

  24. The Latin Mass is a reminder of the historicity of the Church across 21 centuries. The Latin Mass is a reminder of the catholicity or universality of the Church across tribes, tongues, nations. Often, the latin language has been a "lingua franca" or "bridge language" by which people from different languages could find common ground and share with each other and worship together. I would welcome it even if only a small portion of the vernacular language Mass would be done in Latin. Translations are always necessarily inexact. Phrases expressed in other languages can reveal fresh nuances of understanding for familiar phrases. As a youth, in the 1960's and 1970's, I saw the Mass in the USA go from all Latin to partially Latin and partially English. I never thought that it would go to zero Latin language.

  25. I don't normally attend the Latin Mass but I think every parish should have the ordinary and extraordinary form. At the very least it would lessen some of the divisiveness.

  26. Point to ponder before going too "extreme" with one's views on this: When our Lord instituted the sacrament of Holy Mass at the Last Supper, what language was it in? Clearly not Latin or any other language that the general majority would be familiar with today. Peace be with you all.

  27. Your Excellency, I was surprised that priests wouldn't already have a basic knowledge of Latin ( I presume you were speaking about the celebrant).
    I was under the impression that official Church documents are still written in Latin. Is this not the case?
    My father has a degree in Physics. He told me that one of the degree requirements was to learn either German or Russian, because many early physics papers were written in those languages. It seems to me that ALL priests should learn Latin, whether or not they ever intend to celebrate Mass in Latin.

  29. Your Excellency, I traveled extensively during my career, and attended Mass in a dozen different countries. I prefer the vernacular (English in my case), however it would be nice to mandate that at least one Mass be said in Latin just as a link language for all participants.

  30. This is obviously a clip from a longer discussion. Would it be possible to provide a link to the whole discussion (if it's there, I didn't see it).
    Other YouTube content creators provide short clips, like you are doing here, but eventually upload the entire discussion (which may be an hour or two long), or longer excepts (Part 1, Part 2, etc).

  31. Good day. Today is a day of great expectación for today the Congress in Mexico is voting on a bill to permit abortions in the State of Veracruz which will ultimately affect the whole of Mexico. Please pray for Mexico, where our mother Mary has constantly been interceding for her children all around the world. As we too continue to pray for peace in the United States of America. Many blessings.

  32. It's unfortunate that there seems to be such a lack of willingness on the part of the USCCB to support the education necessary to perform a Latin Mass. To me, this is another example of how Vatican II has failed us. It's dumbed us down. And yes of course Latin Mass should be available to every Catholic.

  33. When I asked a seminarian whether Latin and Greek was a must for priests/deacons as preparation, he simply said it was an option, but not required. When I was in college, I took Latin and Greek out of interest of my own because I spoke one of the Romance languages. I was surprised to find out how difficult both languages were to learn yet, how similar they were to the Spanish language. My simple interest eventually led me to major in Classical Studies. What was my reasoning behind this interest? Latin is still an utilized language in our liturgy and our Church. Therefore, not a “dead language” as it is often described. There is something mystical about Latin and I loved studying it while listening to Gregorian chants. I have only participated in Latin Mass twice in my lifetime and twice was enough to know how special it is for the soul! It feels as if you are in a time capsule from the past which at the same time our soul is transcended to the present: the here and now. We shouldn’t discard our tradition so swiftly, but finds new ways to fall in love with it more beautifully. Yes, understand the Latin Mass. But live it because Christ is there just the same. Dona nobis pacem.

  35. What does that mean allow? That word in the title, what? That's like saying the Bishop's would "allow" mass to be celebrated in Spanish, Twi, Tagalog, etc. What? …that title and the content of this video are far too ambiguous.

  37. So, Bishop, does that mean it is "silly" and "play acting" to attend a Mass in Croatia or any other country said in the vernacular that I don't understand? How is the Mass ever "silly" or play acting? If a non English speaker comes to our nation and only has a Mass in English available, is it "silly" and "playacting" for that person to attend Mass at all? I don't follow that logic, Bishop, and I fear you are sending the wrong message about the value of Mass.

  38. On this rare occasion, I disagree with Bshp Baron. I came to the Latin Mass as an altar boy who grew up with only the novus ordo. It was in learning the latin mass that I came to understand the mass in general better. Yes.. it was faking it early. I knew no latin. But in learning the latin mass, I came to know the mass in general better. And I was an altar boy in the novus ordo in the 70's… But I learn more than even my altar training taught me.

    There are those who seek the TLM who may not be well versed…know the lingo, but they have an inner calling. Sure some just want the novelty. But even by just wanting the novelty they…. no… we… learn even more about the mass. It is such in its form, that if you go regularly, knowing nothing, its kindles a desire to learn. That is a time tested fact.

  39. Pope Benedict XVI explicitly said the bishop's permission is not required. Pope Francis did not change this. Bishop Barron is wrong. Pope Benedict XVI didnt trust the bishops to do the right thing and stripped them of the authority to permit or forbid the Latin mass. It is a concern as to why a bishop does not know this significant development that happened recently

  40. Seriously ? Why does this question even need to be raised ? Summorum Pontificum has made it very clear that the Latin Mass is part of our Catholic heritage. It was never, in fact, dispensed with, and it was terrible that it was suppressed for so long. A painful post-Vatican II memory. No loving shepherd of souls, ie bishop, would want to strangle the wishes of any priest or laity who wish to celebrate the Latin liturgy of ages ?

  42. According to SP, there's no need of asking the bishop. He has no control over what form of the Rite the priest prays. That said I totally agree that the priest should have a grasp of understanding Latin, but as long as the intention to consecrate the Eucharist is there, that's what matters.

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